What is the Chewy Goodness in Oxygene .. ?

05 Sep 2012 in Delphi, Oxygene | 25 comments

I came across a reference to “Nougat” in relation to Oxygene recently, and sure enough you can pre-order Oxygene in a .NET, Java and “Nougat” bundle.

I couldn’t find any other mention of “Nougat” on the RemObjects/Oxygene site though, so I’m still somewhat in the dark as to what “Nougat” actually is. I have my suspicions (colour me excited! :) ) but does anyone have any concrete information on what it is or might be ?

Also, yesterday I downloaded Lazarus 1.0 for Win64 and OS X. I had a quick peek at the Win64 build and was impressed. Last night I spent a little time with the OS X build and continued to be impressed.

I had hoped to get an initial write-up of my impressions done last night but time ran away from me, so that will now come later today.

Interesting times…

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25 comments

  1. David Heffernan’s avatar

    David Heffernan on 05 Sep 2012 at 11:18

    What’s the other major platform given that they have .net and Java covered? My guess would be Javascript.

    1. Deltics’s avatar

      Deltics on 05 Sep 2012 at 11:22

      I think your guess would be wrong. ;)

      But thanks for playing. :D

      1. David Heffernan’s avatar

        David Heffernan on 05 Sep 2012 at 18:49

        I was quite excited by the prospect of a major platform. And now you hint at Cocoa. If that’s the major platform then I’m disappointed.

        1. Deltics’s avatar

          Deltics on 05 Sep 2012 at 19:01

          Well, any disappointment is really your own fault. ;)

          Who seriously would have expected JavaScript to be targeted by a development tool that previously had .NET and Java on it’s target list, especially given that other people already have ObjectPascal -> JavaScript “covered” ? I honestly thought you were joking. :)

          1. David Heffernan’s avatar

            David Heffernan on 05 Sep 2012 at 22:58

            Other people already have .net and Java covered. Plenty of room for competitive offerings.

            For me, Javascript has no interest at all. But it’s clearly a platform with a monstrous penetration and install base. Unlike Cocoa.

            Anyway, if they are targetting Cocoa presumably that’s done through Mono. Will be interesting to see how slick the integration is.

            1. Deltics’s avatar

              Deltics on 05 Sep 2012 at 23:11

              If Oxygene is to have a Cocoa variant then it simply wouldn’t make sense to be based on Mono as they have already had that for a long time already.

              That would be “Oxygene for .NET, .NET and Java”, no ? ;)

    2. Delphi Outsider’s avatar

      Delphi Outsider on 05 Sep 2012 at 11:26

      I should cocoa!

      1. Deltics’s avatar

        Deltics on 05 Sep 2012 at 11:31

        LOLs – I like what you did there. Nice touch. ;)

    3. Dev{eloper} Stonez’s avatar

      Dev{eloper} Stonez on 06 Sep 2012 at 03:23

      Oxygene “Nougat” is unveiled now http://www.remobjects.com/oxygene/nougat.aspx

      Nougat is a new project to bring the Oxygene to a third and completely new development platform, one of the most exciting and fastest growing platforms of today: Mac and iOS. We’re not quite ready to say more much about this project just yet, but suffice to say we are very excited about “Nougat”.

  2. Bob Swart’s avatar

    Bob Swart on 05 Sep 2012 at 17:35

    You really do not know? It’s kinda obvious what Nougat stands for, isn’t it? What other platform is waiting for Oxygene to cover ;-)

    1. Deltics’s avatar

      Deltics on 05 Sep 2012 at 17:50

      As I would have thought should have been obvious from my response to some of the comments so far, I do know. ;)

      1. Bob Swart’s avatar

        Bob Swart on 05 Sep 2012 at 22:43

        I’m sorry, it was a bit uncharacteristic for you not to write all you know or to keep secrets, so for a moment I really believed you didn’t know. My bad.

        1. Deltics’s avatar

          Deltics on 05 Sep 2012 at 22:55

          There’s a difference between “keeping secrets” and “teasing”. ;)

          1. Bob Swart’s avatar

            Bob Swart on 05 Sep 2012 at 23:02

            I know, I just didn’t expect / recognise it, given your previous posts… ;-)

  3. Dev{eloper} Stonez’s avatar

    Dev{eloper} Stonez on 05 Sep 2012 at 17:42

    Hi Deltics/Pastics/Oxydics … here are some links with additional details related to Prism XE3 / Oxygene 5.2 … anyway without any mention about “Nougat” … Anyhow, the veil will drop today ;)
    http://www.embarcadero.com/products/prism/whats-new
    http://wiki.oxygenelanguage.com/en/Read_Me:Embarcadero_Prism

    AFAIK marc hinted in NG about some “Cocoa” native features … IMHO, since JavaScript is the new ASM I will definitely enjoy/expect a JS target instead … definitely interesting times

    1. Deltics’s avatar

      Deltics on 05 Sep 2012 at 17:54

      Yes Stonez, but those links are about Prism – a.k.a Oxygene for .NET. “Nougat” is … something .. ‘other’..

      Waiting for the veil to drop… :)

      1. Dev{eloper} Stonez’s avatar

        Dev{eloper} Stonez on 06 Sep 2012 at 03:28

        RemObjects Oxygene “Nougat” unveiled … Native Oxygene for Mac and iOS http://www.remobjects.com/oxygene/nougat.aspx

        Oxygene “Nougat” is a new project to bring the Oxygene to a third and completely new development platform, one of the most exciting and fastest growing platforms of today: Mac and iOS. We’re not quite ready to say more much about this project just yet, but suffice to say we are very excited about “Nougat”.

  4. andrew’s avatar

    andrew on 05 Sep 2012 at 21:36

    H’m.

    I was skeptical about Prism/Oxygene. Why would anyone want to use Pascal on dotNet instead of Csharp, I thought?

    But those new IDE features look really cool. And from the bits of sample code it appears we’re not in Kansas anymore. They seem to have modernized the language, too.

    Makes the flagship product look even more backward. I can understand the old compiler needing to support decades of old code, but the old Delphi 7 IDE was changed, so why can that not get more programming aids like this?

    And iirc, Barry Kelly had an idea for a non-code-breaking garbage collector. That would have made XE3 a bit more interesting.

    Pity.

    1. Deltics’s avatar

      Deltics on 05 Sep 2012 at 21:49

      Chrome-cum-Oxygene-cum-Prism always did have some very nice language features, right from the start. RemObjects crossed the Kansas state line some time ago. :)

  5. Pixy Misa’s avatar

    Pixy Misa on 06 Sep 2012 at 01:37

    Assuming that Nougat is indeed Cocoa for both OSX and iOS, I’m all over that $499 bundle.

  6. Uwe Raabe’s avatar

    Uwe Raabe on 06 Sep 2012 at 03:53

    There is some (although little) information available from RemObjects about Nougat:
    http://www.remobjects.com/oxygene/nougat.aspx

  7. Sebastian’s avatar

    Sebastian on 06 Sep 2012 at 04:18

    As teasered here: http://www.remobjects.com/oxygene/nougat.aspx
    Nougat will target iOS and Mac OS X natively, as .NET (and Mono) and Java are equally targeted natively with the Prism and Cooper flavours.

  9. ojn’s avatar

    ojn on 06 Sep 2012 at 07:26

    Have you looked at: http://www.remobjects.com/oxygene/nougat.aspx yet?

    Also: the “Coming Soon: Cocoa, Cocoa Touch and the Objective-C Runtime” section of http://www.remobjects.com/oxygene/frameworks.aspx .

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